OK so I had a chance to get to test the Jupiter 8 against the System 8 plug out for the Jupiter 8. I did not have a whole bunch of time to hand so I will be spending more time on this later and hopefully do a thorough one on one session. Initial thoughts were that the original Jupiter 8 could do with some slight servicing as the pots and sliders were getting stiff and tuning was not as good as it once was when new. Sound wise the original sounds a bit brighter when creating basic patches. But the tone control on the System 8 soon can fix that difference.
As such differing patches will require different tone control settings but nothing in this case requires extreme adjustment. The System 8 overall really nails the J8 sound and performance is fairly similar in as much as it can be. I feel that the System 8 is modelling a new or at least well kept Jupiter 8. Which is why I would really like the Condition feature to offer something much more dramatic on this plug out.
I actually came away thinking that the Jupiter 8 we have at work is too bright. But I was only auditioning this through the headphone out on the J8 set at Medium level at the time. I will, of course, get back to this testing via the main outs as well. I would also like to get to grips with cross modulation as this was an area other J8 users said was lacking when comparing to the JP-08. As a quick overall the System 8 is as good as it can get so far in terms of emulation and Roland have done a thoroughly decent job in getting this very, very close to the Jupiter 8. The caveat being that with instruments this old each one will sound different depending upon the ageing and upkeep of the instrument.
The problem being that with these costing so much now there are owners that are unwilling to service these in a way that would bring the instrument back to it's new state. Old electronic parts are used to replace old broken electronic parts etc rather than new parts that perform to the expectations of Rolands' engineers at the time of the Jupiter 8's release. Don't get me wrong I love the sound of the Jupiter 8 we have, but I recognise its sound is also a by product of the fact this old lady is gracefully showing her age. The System 8 gets the analogue sound bang on but understandably with the Condition feature as it currently is it can not take into account the individual differences that each old Jupiter 8 has.
Perhaps Roland could work their magic and enable the Condition feature to more noticeably mimic this ageing on their Jupiter 8 plug out. I still have more to test before I can definitively state what differences or similarities are noticeable between these 2 instruments. But overall I'm very happy I bought the System 8 and feel that the J8 plug out does an excellent job and is most definitely a keeper for me. OK so I had a chance to get to test the Jupiter 8 against the System 8 plug out for the Jupiter 8. I did not have a whole bunch of time to hand so I will be spending more time on this later and hopefully do a thorough one on one session. Initial thoughts were that the original Jupiter 8 could do with some slight servicing as the pots and sliders were getting stiff and tuning was not as good as it once was when new. Sound wise the original sounds a bit brighter when creating basic patches.
But the tone control on the System 8 soon can fix that difference. As such differing patches will require different tone control settings but nothing in this case requires extreme adjustment. The System 8 overall really nails the J8 sound and performance is fairly similar in as much as it can be. I feel that the System 8 is modelling a new or at least well kept Jupiter 8.
Which is why I would really like the Condition feature to offer something much more dramatic on this plug out. I actually came away thinking that the Jupiter 8 we have at work is too bright.
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But I was only auditioning this through the headphone out on the J8 set at Medium level at the time. I will, of course, get back to this testing via the main outs as well.
I would also like to get to grips with cross modulation as this was an area other J8 users said was lacking when comparing to the JP-08. As a quick overall the System 8 is as good as it can get so far in terms of emulation and Roland have done a thoroughly decent job in getting this very, very close to the Jupiter 8. The caveat being that with instruments this old each one will sound different depending upon the ageing and upkeep of the instrument. The problem being that with these costing so much now there are owners that are unwilling to service these in a way that would bring the instrument back to it's new state. Old electronic parts are used to replace old broken electronic parts etc rather than new parts that perform to the expectations of Rolands' engineers at the time of the Jupiter 8's release.
Don't get me wrong I love the sound of the Jupiter 8 we have, but I recognise its sound is also a by product of the fact this old lady is gracefully showing her age. The System 8 gets the analogue sound bang on but understandably with the Condition feature as it currently is it can not take into account the individual differences that each old Jupiter 8 has. Perhaps Roland could work their magic and enable the Condition feature to more noticeably mimic this ageing on their Jupiter 8 plug out. I still have more to test before I can definitively state what differences or similarities are noticeable between these 2 instruments. But overall I'm very happy I bought the System 8 and feel that the J8 plug out does an excellent job and is most definitely a keeper for me.I would kindly argue that I prefer Condition in its current, very subtle state. Be it the '1/f noise' that Roland has had in its digital synths since forever, or the 'slop' parameter on more recent analogue synths, the results tend to be too rough and unmusical to my taste, much like the way the Crush effect on the System 1 goes into extreme mode too quickly.
Maybe have two 'ranges' for Condition, if anything is to be changed at all, one for you, one for me? So I've had the System-8 for a few weeks now and have really enjoyed it. Sounds great and I love the interface. However there is definitely a feature that they need to add regarding performance mode behavior. Where as all the other Aira gear will play the next selected pattern after the current pattern has finished playing, on the System-8 selecting a new performance pattern makes it jump immediately to the selected pattern. This is kind of an oversight on Roland's part I think.
If you have a bunch of gear all sync'd up and you want all the patterns to play in time this issue makes the System-8 out of sync with the rest. Anyway I raised this issue to Roland support and would encourage other users to do the same so we can hopefully see a fix for this in the future. So I've had the System-8 for a few weeks now and have really enjoyed it. Sounds great and I love the interface.
However there is definitely a feature that they need to add regarding performance mode behavior. Where as all the other Aira gear will play the next selected pattern after the current pattern has finished playing, on the System-8 selecting a new performance pattern makes it jump immediately to the selected pattern.
This is kind of an oversight on Roland's part I think. If you have a bunch of gear all sync'd up and you want all the patterns to play in time this issue makes the System-8 out of sync with the rest. Anyway I raised this issue to Roland support and would encourage other users to do the same so we can hopefully see a fix for this in the future. Its a real time performance step sequencer, punch in, punch out, step modulate, alter first step, alter last step, tweak play mode, transpose up, down, tweak the synth whilst it plays kind of affair. It make it quite logical that the patterns are tied to the patches in this way especially if one uses CV/GATE and another doesn't or you're using dual sequences in Performance mode that do different things or you're using it as a step modulator only on certain patches etc etc etc. You also have unique effect configurations per performance layer too, different plugout and so on and so forth.
Perhaps our needs vary greatly but I use different sequencers across multiple devices ie: Analog 4 on CV gate and Internal, Monomachine Internal, Five12 Numerology as a Midi Plug inside Logic etc and mix and match feature sets as and when needed for colour, groove variation, feel, rotating and evolving sequences and the like. I don't want or expect my System 8 to behave like my TR8 or JD-XA and i don't want it to behave like Numerology, my Elektron Kit or any other sequencing tool I might use (at the moment I am considering adding a Manikin Schrittmaker to the mix). I'd rather have my working methods challenged than constantly have my equipment integrate and conform to a working method that's comfortable.
So I've had the System-8 for a few weeks now and have really enjoyed it. Sounds great and I love the interface.
However there is definitely a feature that they need to add regarding performance mode behavior. Where as all the other Aira gear will play the next selected pattern after the current pattern has finished playing, on the System-8 selecting a new performance pattern makes it jump immediately to the selected pattern. This is kind of an oversight on Roland's part I think. If you have a bunch of gear all sync'd up and you want all the patterns to play in time this issue makes the System-8 out of sync with the rest. Anyway I raised this issue to Roland support and would encourage other users to do the same so we can hopefully see a fix for this in the future.
So you have a performance pattern mode and a normal pattern mode? If so.same behaviour in the normal mode? That would be a pitty.
Mind you that I don't own a S8 (yet) Cheers. Its a real time performance step sequencer, punch in, punch out, step modulate, alter first step, alter last step, tweak play mode, transpose up, down, tweak the synth whilst it plays kind of affair. It make it quite logical that the patterns are tied to the patches in this way especially if one uses CV/GATE and another doesn't or you're using dual sequences in Performance mode that do different things or you're using it as a step modulator only on certain patches etc etc etc. You also have unique effect configurations per performance layer too, different plugout and so on and so forth. Perhaps our needs vary greatly but I use different sequencers across multiple devices ie: Analog 4 on CV gate and Internal, Monomachine Internal, Five12 Numerology as a Midi Plug inside Logic etc and mix and match feature sets as and when needed for colour, groove variation, feel, rotating and evolving sequences and the like.
I don't want or expect my System 8 to behave like my TR8 or JD-XA and i don't want it to behave like Numerology, my Elektron Kit or any other sequencing tool I might use (at the moment I am considering adding a Manikin Schrittmaker to the mix). I'd rather have my working methods challenged than constantly have my equipment integrate and conform to a working method that's comfortable. Well that's all well and good but can you understand why a person might want the sequencer of an Aira product to behave in a similar fashion to the others? In my case I have a TR-8, TB-3 and System-8 slaved to an MX-1. I use all of them to play live and I'll play a set by having multiple patterns ready to go.
So it's just kinda weird to have everything but the System-8 to play the next selected pattern at the same time when playing live. At the very least I wish it was an option to change the sequencer behavior. For example maybe holding shift and selecting a pattern would make it jump immediately where as the default is to begin playing once the current pattern has finished it's cycle. So I've had the System-8 for a few weeks now and have really enjoyed it.
Sounds great and I love the interface. However there is definitely a feature that they need to add regarding performance mode behavior. Where as all the other Aira gear will play the next selected pattern after the current pattern has finished playing, on the System-8 selecting a new performance pattern makes it jump immediately to the selected pattern. This is kind of an oversight on Roland's part I think. If you have a bunch of gear all sync'd up and you want all the patterns to play in time this issue makes the System-8 out of sync with the rest. Anyway I raised this issue to Roland support and would encourage other users to do the same so we can hopefully see a fix for this in the future. So you have a performance pattern mode and a normal pattern mode?
If so.same behaviour in the normal mode? That would be a pitty. Mind you that I don't own a S8 (yet) Cheers.No, they both behave the same. Whenever you select different patch or performance while the sequencer is running it jumps immediately to it. No, they both behave the same. Whenever you select different patch or performance while the sequencer is running it jumps immediately to it.Hmmm.
Just like you said.if you check the other Aria gear this is rather strange. Surely they will add a 'switch on end pattern' function in an update? The only thing I do in realtime when recording/jamming is turn the knobs for modulation and switch patterns.
I program the patterns (notes.) before that.never on the fly. Gonna buy this ****er anyway.sounds good and very nice features. Well that's all well and good but can you understand why a person might want the sequencer of an Aira product to behave in a similar fashion to the others?
In my case I have a TR-8, TB-3 and System-8 slaved to an MX-1. I use all of them to play live and I'll play a set by having multiple patterns ready to go. So it's just kinda weird to have everything but the System-8 to play the next selected pattern at the same time when playing live. At the very least I wish it was an option to change the sequencer behavior.
For example maybe holding shift and selecting a pattern would make it jump immediately where as the default is to begin playing once the current pattern has finished it's cycle. We just use it and work differently.
I for example will often program one pattern of 64 steps with certain step numbers being their own unique patterns so steps 1-16 could be one pattern. 17-24 another 24-32 another and then the remainder a 2 bar pattern. I would then punch IN/OUT first step and last step points as needed, perhaps change the play mode to inverted and then random and back to ping pong and activate, deactivate steps, tweak and transpose as I go. There's a lot of meat to be found in one sequence working this way but if you're using the same sequence with radically different sounds or radically different straight linear sequencers with the same sound I'd just be inclined to sequence it via something else to get that result. I personally like the way it is singularly focused like a dedicated old school analog CV/GATE sequencer and how in Performance mode both sequences have totally independent step length, scale, play mode, gate, shuffle, first step and last step options. With the 101 plug out on board it behaves almost like an MC202 for example and the fact that the sequencer is polyphonic too is a huge bonus if using the 106 or Jupiter too.
But for anything in a more traditional or evolving, complex and long sequencer passage I am more inclined to use Numerology and/or Logic and program changes or jam away for 15/20 minutes and edit the best bits out into part of an arrangement at a later date. Though it technically isn't anything that could be done using something like an MPC/RS7k/RM1x/Pyramid/Cirklon/P3/Carbon/Live and the like. If you're working live and those are the only tools you're using then yes you are completely straight out of luck doing what you want to do with the current implementation and feature set.
I rarely use the TR8's internal step sequencer exclusively purely for the fact that it is limiting when wanting to perform rather complex and evolving patterns. I can still mute, edit decay, level, pan and so on when sequencing it from elsewhere but its limitations aren't without merit either on occasion. Well that's all well and good but can you understand why a person might want the sequencer of an Aira product to behave in a similar fashion to the others? In my case I have a TR-8, TB-3 and System-8 slaved to an MX-1. I use all of them to play live and I'll play a set by having multiple patterns ready to go. So it's just kinda weird to have everything but the System-8 to play the next selected pattern at the same time when playing live.
At the very least I wish it was an option to change the sequencer behavior. For example maybe holding shift and selecting a pattern would make it jump immediately where as the default is to begin playing once the current pattern has finished it's cycle.I agree with u.
I didn't realize this. It makes no sense for the pattern not to finish before next pattern starts. Let me know who we can email at Roland this should be corrected. Well that's all well and good but can you understand why a person might want the sequencer of an Aira product to behave in a similar fashion to the others? In my case I have a TR-8, TB-3 and System-8 slaved to an MX-1.
I use all of them to play live and I'll play a set by having multiple patterns ready to go. So it's just kinda weird to have everything but the System-8 to play the next selected pattern at the same time when playing live. At the very least I wish it was an option to change the sequencer behavior. For example maybe holding shift and selecting a pattern would make it jump immediately where as the default is to begin playing once the current pattern has finished it's cycle.Here's the thing: you're switching between sounds not patterns, and those sounds can have a pattern or arp or nothing associated with them. Buku Rouhani Kristen Gratis Pdf Converteren.
The System-8 ins't a sequencer based instrument, in other words. That's why the current behavior is as it is, and why if you want multiple patterns for the same sounds you have to create duplicate performances, eating quickly through the available memory. I can see where you're coming from however, so I can see the option being added, but I'm not clear how it'll interact with the other sequencer features, like when you set the play mode to Key Trig or Random. Here's the thing: you're switching between sounds not patterns, and those sounds can have a pattern or arp or nothing associated with them.
The System-8 ins't a sequencer based instrument, in other words. That's why the current behavior is as it is, and why if you want multiple patterns for the same sounds you have to create duplicate performances, eating quickly through the available memory. I can see where you're coming from however, so I can see the option being added, but I'm not clear how it'll interact with the other sequencer features, like when you set the play mode to Key Trig or Random.Oh wow I didn't even think about it like that. I see your point.If I were to implement a change I would have the next patch or performance begin it's sequence only once a currently playing patch or performance sequence has finished it's cycle. I guess I just can't see many situations when I'd have a sequence playing on a System-8 patch or performance and want to suddenly jump into a different sequence as soon as you select the next patch?
Given that you'd have the manually stop the sequencer to change a patch without a new sequence playing anyway, it would seem a timed patch or performance change would be more useful than the current behavior. Thanks for pointing that out though. I totally wasn't following that until I read your post.
Oh wow I didn't even think about it like that. I see your point.If I were to implement a change I would have the next patch or performance begin it's sequence only once a currently playing patch or performance sequence has finished it's cycle. I guess I just can't see many situations when I'd have a sequence playing on a System-8 patch or performance and want to suddenly jump into a different sequence as soon as you select the next patch? Given that you'd have the manually stop the sequencer to change a patch without a new sequence playing anyway, it would seem a timed patch or performance change would be more useful than the current behavior.
Thanks for pointing that out though. I totally wasn't following that until I read your post. I would simply suggest copying the chosen sequence to the patches you wish to link in your set so that when it receives its prog change its all in sync. I still hope for a dedicated Jupiter8 clone from Roland. Take the user interface from the JP08, add the keyboard and polyphony from System8 and Roland would have a modern Jupiter8 for close to zero development cost for them. Download Punjabi Song Jaguar By Sukhe on this page. I can't imagine why any synthmaker would do this when they have something like the System-8 right there, with all development cost already spent. It's reasonably priced, it has a great control panel, a sequencer, slots for three plugout synths in a growing list - slowly, but still growing.
And for $200 more, you can have a JD-XA, a true chameleon of a synth with a real analog section. I can't see Roland shooting these synths down by diluting their own market. Roland gave us almost everything we asked for, and some people still fold their arms at these two guys, two really great synths. I don't get humans sometimes.
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